Listening to 'Moors' from the sounds page provides another example of 808's lack of pretence - what other band give their fans such insight into the creative process?
For me 808 will always remain a true inspiration - whatever direction they persue.
However, I still hold my view that the 'old skool' scene is a bad move (for dance/electronic music in general). It's regressive, nostalgic and stands totally against the rule-breaking culture of acid house and techno. True, it's only about fun and re-livin' the day (i've even been to a few), but the reason that music sounded so good at the time was because it was new and completely fresh (remember the first time you heard Pacific or Joey Beltram's Energy Flash?). Altern8 are currently doing this circuit and it reminds me of a recent documentary ('Blood on the Carpet') where Bucks Fizz were shown doing Butlins PAs and cruises, still trying to make it big again! 808 should stay clear of this bollocks because it will fade very quickly as our generation enter their Thirties...
And no matter what you think of 808's music, NOBODY can deny that this vital ingredient is always present.
On 2002-07-18 16:44, Mark wrote:
I totally agree with Rich.
I like Moors, yeah it is cutting room stuff, and if it was released it would probably only sell as many copies as there are Globalstate members. But what Rich says is bang on, it doesn't matter about the quality of the stuff, it is the fact that Graham is prepared to dig out some old recordings and post them on here (through Markus) for the fans to listen to. Nobodys expecting belting stuff, but to listen to creativeness like Moors is great. I don't think you would find commercially successful bands such as Prodigy and the Chemicals doing this. The tracks are there for our enjoyment as fans and are an insight into the process of making albums.
You gotta respect 808 for keeping individual. Dance music has changed so much over the last 10 years. A lot of older stuff does sound dated, but you gotta know where you've been to know where you're going. You can't forget that without the early material, there probably would'nt even be a scene. 808 are individual, creative and diverse. I don't make music, I can't even play a note, but I listen to an awful lot. And nothing I hear nowadays really excites me. 808 have this ability. Listen to Moby's latest offering, I think its a very similar effort to the very successful Play. Selling out? I cannot ever see 808 doing this. They are not scared to do what they want. Its all about the music with the lads not the success. Humility is a rare commodity in music and from Grahams earlier response he has this in abundance.
Who gives a shit if it sells well? Put on your headphones and listen to an 808 CD, all you gotta do is simply close your eyes and enjoy the ride. That is what music is all about.
Need a rest now after ranting. Off to bed to listen to Pacific and drift away......
To your second point:
Don't remember stating that the old stuff doesn't inspire me; quite the opposite - I often find myself sifting through the older part of my record collection, even if only to get a 'vibe' before starting a new track. I'm also guilty of nostalgia, looking for old gems on Ebay and Netsounds, but if dance producers were still making LFO - style warehouse bleep, there would be no D 'n' B (for example). Music evolves...
"like electro it's the way those drum machine/
synthesizers sound that makes it so refreshing"
True, but dont forget that everyone's still using those same synths and drum machines! It's just that after nearly 20 years of use, the same kick drums and 303 squiggles are not so fresh! I still love them, and use a few (MC202/Pro One etc) but the difficult part is using them in a way that has not been done 1000 times over. You're right about the state of electronic music at the moment, and I wouldn't say anything I'm producing at the moment is particularly groundbreaking. Nor do I hear anything 'new' in the Techno scene. The key is to produce music that (as Graham says) is self indulgent, and then see if anyone else likes it! The reason that many artists don't/can't do this is that conformity/mainstream stuff sells...but that's another topic...
On 2002-07-19 15:47, Mark wrote:
808 are unique its very hard to compare them to anything.
But Don Solaris is my fave album, I think it is a beautiful piece of work from start to finish, with so many elements to it. I
do love 'old school' stuff, especially when I am in a nostalgic mood, but I find more recent tracks more elaborate and
I remember hearing Cubik for the first time and being blown away because it sounded like nothing else in its
The problem with 808, if indeed it is a problem, is that they are too far ahead of themselves. 90 is a classic, Don Solaris is
musical brilliance. Let's hope Outpost Transmission lives up to the expectations.
But Hey, thats just my humble opinion...
On 2002-07-19 22:08, stephen wrote:I would say they are the 80's equivalent to the Art Of Noise and YMO.
On 2002-07-19 22:28, Anonymous wrote:On 2002-07-19 22:08, stephen wrote:I would say they are the 80's equivalent to the Art Of Noise and YMO.
let me rephrase that:
Back in the late 80's early 90's 808 State were the 'techno' equivalent to the Art Of Noise/ YMO.
On 2002-07-21 03:27, Mark wrote:
Hey Stephen, you like picking faults don't you!!!
Ok, so Frank De Wulf's earlier work could be compared to Cubik, although it is still not the same. I said that Cubik sounded lke nothing else in its time, meaning it was commercially successful and you heard nothing else like it on MTV or the radio.
He was a remixer more than an artist in his own right, and I do agree some of his mixes would border on the sounds of Cubik, although I reckon Cubik was a big breakthrough track for the dance scene.
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