Ian wrote:
"Somewhere in my loft I have an unreleased and unbroadcast 808 remix of The Word theme. It sticks in my mind because - despite being about 30 seconds long - it is absoltely amazing, kick-ass stuff.
It was recorded for series 4 but was rejected in favour of an in-house remix, as Steve C mentioned. I'll probably be moving house this year so I expect the tape will come to light then!..."
Little 30 second snippets would help fill space on a CD, Hopefully each CD will be packed full to the brim!!
On the subject of a promo cd - it will be hard to choosing a selection for a promo cd as there are too many good tracks to choose from - best of luck.
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Another thing I would like is to have gaps between the tracks so they can be copied off or listened to as a whole track.
For example Excel worked really well as an album, which might be accounted to the fact that a lot of the tracks flow into each other ( which also happens on the other albums).
The problem is when you want to tape off a track such as San Fransisco or Spanish heart you get other bits of tracks and not a whole song with bits missing.
Ive always wanted Spanish Heart in its entirity - Im sure New order fans would like this aswell. If you are re-mastering is there any chance of doing this? or will it affect the character of the Albums??
Another question is - is there any point in listing any more wants and ideas for the albums? - or have the decisions already been made on the content??
For example Excel worked really well as an album, which might be accounted to the fact that a lot of the tracks flow into each other ( which also happens on the other albums).
The problem is when you want to tape off a track such as San Fransisco or Spanish heart you get other bits of tracks and not a whole song with bits missing.
Ive always wanted Spanish Heart in its entirity - Im sure New order fans would like this aswell. If you are re-mastering is there any chance of doing this? or will it affect the character of the Albums??
Another question is - is there any point in listing any more wants and ideas for the albums? - or have the decisions already been made on the content??
Thanks for all the suggestions,No desicions have been made as yet.
as you can understand weve all got to have a say and there is some issue about maybe doing it as a box set ,rather than individual releases.
Whats peoples view on that..Im not shure ,I like the idea of a box set if it has almost evry thing ..But I think its just to contain B sides and rare stuff
Not keen on endless versions of things ..Thats where the internet comes in we could have evrything as down loads I guess...
I buy some box sets but I have to be very motivated to shell out £50 to 100 quid on something .
as you can understand weve all got to have a say and there is some issue about maybe doing it as a box set ,rather than individual releases.
Whats peoples view on that..Im not shure ,I like the idea of a box set if it has almost evry thing ..But I think its just to contain B sides and rare stuff
Not keen on endless versions of things ..Thats where the internet comes in we could have evrything as down loads I guess...
I buy some box sets but I have to be very motivated to shell out £50 to 100 quid on something .
I haven’t got much to add to the suggestions already made, just a couple of remarks. In my opinion the general focus should be on re-releasing the albums and each CD containing a second disc with rare, unreleased, promo-only or previously only available on vinyl material. If possible, the original recordings should be re-mastered. Some of the album were released in France a few years ago and were tagged 'remastered'. I wonder if this was true?
I assume it all needs to be ZTT-only. I also assume it will be 808 State only, so no production work or remixes (e.g. the moments of love 808 remix of Art Of Noise wouldn’t fit in). That will have to go on the remixes CD (re:build) if it ever happens.
I think State2State re-issue would be a difficult one. Since it was a rarities collection itself, it might be an idea to add some of it to the Gorgeous bonus disc. Can ‘Gimme Shelter’ go on?
It would be important to also re-release the North At It’s Heights, to my knowledge the only 808 ZTT album that has never been re-released. Also the only one that wasn’t released in the US. It’s currently fetching 15 – 30 pounds on eBay.
I’m not really into the idea of a 3CD set of rare mixes. A box set to me would be the complete collection of albums (including the bonus discs) housed into a box. I’d rather ZTT would spend money then on licensing more albums (i.e. Outpost Transmission). Are Newbuild and Quadrastate off territory?
I suppose I could make a page (similar to the optibuk one) with all the realistic ideas to which everyone could add comments through the forum again.
I assume it all needs to be ZTT-only. I also assume it will be 808 State only, so no production work or remixes (e.g. the moments of love 808 remix of Art Of Noise wouldn’t fit in). That will have to go on the remixes CD (re:build) if it ever happens.
I think State2State re-issue would be a difficult one. Since it was a rarities collection itself, it might be an idea to add some of it to the Gorgeous bonus disc. Can ‘Gimme Shelter’ go on?
It would be important to also re-release the North At It’s Heights, to my knowledge the only 808 ZTT album that has never been re-released. Also the only one that wasn’t released in the US. It’s currently fetching 15 – 30 pounds on eBay.
I’m not really into the idea of a 3CD set of rare mixes. A box set to me would be the complete collection of albums (including the bonus discs) housed into a box. I’d rather ZTT would spend money then on licensing more albums (i.e. Outpost Transmission). Are Newbuild and Quadrastate off territory?
I suppose I could make a page (similar to the optibuk one) with all the realistic ideas to which everyone could add comments through the forum again.
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Well about the box set... if it is filled - I mean filled - with rarities [and by rarities I include mixes and tracks we've only got on vinyl] then I'd say it's gonna be worth it. But a box set with more than 80% of album tracks is truly frustrating.
And the idea of re-releasing every album I think is great, really - with or without the bonus disc. I know it sounds contradicting - but it isn't. I guess the best thing to do would be re-release the albuns with a bonus cd - eveything remastered. There's also room for an 808 State documentary - my personnl dream project. Maybe with the release we could come up with a documentary to promote it.
Name would be 808 Story - and i am already volunteering myself to help it on any way - from scripting it to editing. What about it? As, on the last 5 years there was a wave of re-discovering the eighties [that on last year reach its peak going mainstream] I'm assuming late-eighties and early-nineties would be the target very soon. On the whitelabel/undergroung market we've been seeing already top productions focused on early house, acid 909 tracks and heavy sampling. It's a signal,and 808 State should ride it being the Masters of Everything.
all the best
Pete
And the idea of re-releasing every album I think is great, really - with or without the bonus disc. I know it sounds contradicting - but it isn't. I guess the best thing to do would be re-release the albuns with a bonus cd - eveything remastered. There's also room for an 808 State documentary - my personnl dream project. Maybe with the release we could come up with a documentary to promote it.
Name would be 808 Story - and i am already volunteering myself to help it on any way - from scripting it to editing. What about it? As, on the last 5 years there was a wave of re-discovering the eighties [that on last year reach its peak going mainstream] I'm assuming late-eighties and early-nineties would be the target very soon. On the whitelabel/undergroung market we've been seeing already top productions focused on early house, acid 909 tracks and heavy sampling. It's a signal,and 808 State should ride it being the Masters of Everything.
all the best
Pete
Dont want to sound like a stuck record but, I think the following tracks should be included on the CD:
Celestine
In yer face Vigo live version
Fuzz Nasty vigo live version
Global state
(And a remix of invader, moses and balboa would be great). And perhaps the inclusion of bombadin demo version.
I really wanted:Cobra bora (call the cops), pacific 909 and DYTD bassless on CD format - but if there is only going to be 1 CD - in the interest of new unheard material - bring it on!
If the top 4 tracks listed cant be included is there any chance of a high quality WAV download for each of them? As much of 808s material has detail which is hard to hear with MP3s.
And the other question is - Will the CD (if there is only 1) be called State to State vol 3??
Celestine
In yer face Vigo live version
Fuzz Nasty vigo live version
Global state
(And a remix of invader, moses and balboa would be great). And perhaps the inclusion of bombadin demo version.
I really wanted:Cobra bora (call the cops), pacific 909 and DYTD bassless on CD format - but if there is only going to be 1 CD - in the interest of new unheard material - bring it on!
If the top 4 tracks listed cant be included is there any chance of a high quality WAV download for each of them? As much of 808s material has detail which is hard to hear with MP3s.
And the other question is - Will the CD (if there is only 1) be called State to State vol 3??
Think we have to be careful to not cover the same ground all over again here.
I agree with Markus, I think all the albums should be re-released as I think these deserve to be heard by a new generation who have possibly never heard the original. Personally I feel all of 808's albums can stand the test of time.
A bonus disc for each album is a good idea. A box set would probably be costly and I think would sell less. If each album is released individually this means they would probably sell better. I would pay up to £100 for an 808 boxset, but how many non 808 fans would? not many I bet. Plus if a box set is released how in God's name would we decide on which tracks we would like to put on a bonus CD? we would have what, 12 or 13 tracks to work with, how do we narrow that down?
As far as the state to state volumes go, I would rather see these left entirely alone. I see state to state 1 as a fan club album and exactly that. For us fans its a real gem, but I don't think it is a commercially sound album. state to state 2 is a fantastic disc with some of my favourite 808 moments on it, but surely it belongs already as a bonus disc to Optibuk?
I would rather see the bonus discs including rarities, unreleased tracks, and some of the better remixes.
As Markus says if ZTT are prepared to throw some cash behind it, why not license a new album as a celebration of the re-releases? that or possibly state to state 3 with new material?
Anyway, whatever happens I'll be happy to see 808 back in the stores, lets hope it gets a little bit of funding from ZTT for advertising.
I agree with Markus, I think all the albums should be re-released as I think these deserve to be heard by a new generation who have possibly never heard the original. Personally I feel all of 808's albums can stand the test of time.
A bonus disc for each album is a good idea. A box set would probably be costly and I think would sell less. If each album is released individually this means they would probably sell better. I would pay up to £100 for an 808 boxset, but how many non 808 fans would? not many I bet. Plus if a box set is released how in God's name would we decide on which tracks we would like to put on a bonus CD? we would have what, 12 or 13 tracks to work with, how do we narrow that down?
As far as the state to state volumes go, I would rather see these left entirely alone. I see state to state 1 as a fan club album and exactly that. For us fans its a real gem, but I don't think it is a commercially sound album. state to state 2 is a fantastic disc with some of my favourite 808 moments on it, but surely it belongs already as a bonus disc to Optibuk?
I would rather see the bonus discs including rarities, unreleased tracks, and some of the better remixes.
As Markus says if ZTT are prepared to throw some cash behind it, why not license a new album as a celebration of the re-releases? that or possibly state to state 3 with new material?
Anyway, whatever happens I'll be happy to see 808 back in the stores, lets hope it gets a little bit of funding from ZTT for advertising.
Ooops, think I've confused you there Mark by posting in an old discussion (started almost a year ago). Ideas of just one boxset with just bonus tracks were being thrown around there. Let me clarify: All ideas have been captured into just one topic: 808 ZTT CD bonus re-issues: proposed tracklistings.
I've made it quite clear (I think?) in there that a box should incorporate all albums (each with a bonus disc). And I put it should be highly limited, because I agree the casual buyer would not shell out for a box set, (s)he would probably just buy one or two of the separate 2CD albums. But for the hardcore firm, who will be buying all six 2CD albums, I think there should be a reward, i.e. house the 6 CDs in a box and add a bonus disc into there. A bit like the New Order Retro 4CD compilation box in which the first 1000 featured an additional bonus disc. Why worry what would be on a StateToState3? It could be a surprise? As I said, anything that doesn't 'fit' on any of the bonus discs. Am I not being clear enough? Someone help me out, I'm making sense aren't I???
I've made it quite clear (I think?) in there that a box should incorporate all albums (each with a bonus disc). And I put it should be highly limited, because I agree the casual buyer would not shell out for a box set, (s)he would probably just buy one or two of the separate 2CD albums. But for the hardcore firm, who will be buying all six 2CD albums, I think there should be a reward, i.e. house the 6 CDs in a box and add a bonus disc into there. A bit like the New Order Retro 4CD compilation box in which the first 1000 featured an additional bonus disc. Why worry what would be on a StateToState3? It could be a surprise? As I said, anything that doesn't 'fit' on any of the bonus discs. Am I not being clear enough? Someone help me out, I'm making sense aren't I???
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...made in the last minute with stupid versions because of the bad reception of the boxset promos... if I may addA bit like the New Order Retro 4CD compilation box in which the first 1000 featured an additional bonus disc...
very different from this truly special collection
(I'm sorry but I have to complain about retro every chance I have)