DeeplyVale

Pob · Post by **Pob** » 08 Jun 2005 12:10

YEAH!

808 in my back garden - fantastic!

Post by **markus** » 08 Jun 2005 12:49

You realise it's not until 2006, right?

Post by **nickking** » 08 Jun 2005 20:21

Sounds a damn fine line-up with System 7, The Fall, OMD, Elbow, Badly Drawn Boy, etc!

Oh, and if you live within a certain radius of the site, you get in for free, so you never know Pob!

Pob · Post by **Pob** » 09 Jun 2005 11:55

Sounds great. A year is not too long to wait.

I hope I do get in for free but knowing my luck I'll live 6 feet outside the radius.

Pob · Post by **Pob** » 11 Jul 2005 12:08

The Rochdale Observer reported over the weekend that this festival could be either cancelled or relocated. Apparently, the land owner now wants £300,000 for the use of the land which is far too much.

Knew it was too good to be true!

Pob · Post by **Pob** » 30 Jan 2006 13:25

HOORAY!!!!!!!!

The festival is going ahead according to our local rag - The Rochdale Observer.

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Who will top the bill at Deeply Vale festival?

THE Deeply Vale music festival WILL definitely go ahead in the summer.

Famous acts, such as Elbow, the Doves and Badly Drawn Boy have been tentatively confirmed, but the big mystery surrounds the main headline act.

But, if rumours are to be believed, it could be The Who.

Organiser Chris Hewitt, who also once owned Studio 16 in Drake Street with New Order bassist Peter Hook, declined to confirm or deny the rumours, but said that a host of other stars would play.

They include Clint Boon from the Inspiral Carpets, Goldblade’s John Robb, Dave Fielding and Mark Burgess from the Chameleons and Andy Rourke from the Smiths.

Deeply Vale 2006 did once look like it would struggle to go ahead after a series of wrangles last year about its venue.

But Mr Hewitt, although he would not confirm the exact location, said it would be ‘just a few hundred yards from the Rochdale boundary’.

Starting out in 1976 with just a random collection of students, musicians and hippies in a field above Norden, Deeply Vale grew with astonishing success, pulling in 20,000 people in 1978 and 1979.

On the new festival website, which was due to be launched last week, Mr Hewitt says he wants to bring Deeply Vale back to its roots.

Helped by the fact that the hugely popular Glastonbury Festival is not happening this year, Mr Hewitt is anticipating great success.

He said: "Our vision is an annual festival with the feel of Glastonbury, especially the feel of the greenfield areas and the hippy market areas.

"Then in subsequent years, we will move Deeply Vale to a complementary date to Glastonbury."

He also said that the festival should continue the tradition of seeking out new talent.

"What so many of the people that went in the 70s were inspired and impressed by was the fact that we mixed major national rock artists with unknown artists from the North West and further afield, thus creating a wacky contradiction to a lot of festival stages."

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Is 808 confirmed? Please do like the man from Del Monte and say YES.

Post by **markus** » 30 Jan 2006 13:47

The site http://www.deeplyvale.com/ has been updated but no lineup yet. I wonder if 808 State will be playing this, or is it more something for Toolshed, Homelife or even Biting Tongues? Or all of them?

Post by **nickking** » 30 Jan 2006 14:02

markus wrote:The site http://www.deeplyvale.com/ has been updated but no lineup yet. I wonder if 808 State will be playing this, or is it more something for Toolshed, Homelife or even Biting Tongues? Or all of them?

On their lineup page, it's been changed from "808 State" to "Graham Massey", so who knows?

graham · Post by **graham** » 31 Jan 2006 13:51

Iknow naaafing,,
depends on alkinds of things , should by rights reform Danny and the dressmakers for that show ..

SteveC · Post by **SteveC** » 01 Feb 2006 15:09

I think theres more chance of Wembley being ready for the cup final than Deeply Vale going ahead.

They're still waiting to be granted a license as their first choice location was turned down.

Fingers crossed.

SteveC · Post by **SteveC** » 15 Mar 2006 16:50

As predicted, unfortunately, theres no Deeply Vale this year.

But several Danny and the Dressmakers tracks from 1978 are to be released on a 5CD compilation.

This is gold dust.

Post by **nickking** » 15 Mar 2006 18:10

Superb - some D&D on CD at last!

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Deeply Vale 1970’s Five CD box set! 15.03.06

For a few years we have been working on The Deeply Vale of the 1970’s Five CD box set. Featuring tracks from as many musicians as possible associated with Deeply Vale Festivals in the 1970’s and including some real gems.

Remember the Steve Hillage Live at Deeply Vale CD and The Fall Live at Deeply Vale CD - well two tracks from Steve Hillage and two tracks from The Fall [ with end of set outro by compere Tony Wilson] were kept back from the albums to go on this five cd set- check out the list below.

Blind Rochdale guitarist Tony Crabtree who passed away last year has some rare acoustic stuff in his memory on this album set. Amazing full set from Wilful Damage, and several great tracks from Graham Massey and Co in Danny and the Dressmakers [Deeply Vale 1978]. Fast Cars, The Tunes, Accident on the East Lancs, Body, Visitor 2035, Tractor, Howard The Duck,Durutti Column- their third ever performance live at Deeply Vale 1978, The Ruts,the joint rolling contest compered by Eddie Kledjys it’s all here

We are just getting the artwork and packaging together if any other musicians who were there or who want to be involved in donating a track or two to this boxed set please e mail ozitrecords@which.net

Bring What You Expect To Find - The Deeply Vale Festivals of the 1970’s
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Disk 1:
01. Killer Man Giro - Deeply Vale (Music by Foggy/Words by Hovis B. Reading)
02. The Joint Rolling Contest (Featuring Eddie Kledjys)
03. Murmo Schulze - Our First Number
04. The Tunes - In The Car
05. Ruts - It Was Cold
06. Moodswings - Skinthieves
07. Body - Untitled
08. Fast Cars - Images
09. Tractor - Roll The Dice
10. The Fall – Bingo Master’s Break Out
11. Tony Crabtree - The Banks Of Pontrathrain
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Disk 2:
Danny & The Dressmakers - Full Set From 24th July 1978 Featuring:
01. Danny & The Dressmakers - Ernie Bishops Dead Body
02. Danny & The Dressmakers - What Are We Doing On At A Rock Festival?
03. Danny & The Dressmakers - How Hot Is A Match?
04. Danny & The Dressmakers - Johnny Be Really f***ing Good
05. Here & Now - Strawberry
06. Accident On The East Lancs - f*** The Society
07. Elti-fits - Untitled
08. Piccadilly Radio Interview Part 1
09. Steve Hillage – Getting Better
10. The David Bacha Band - What You See Is What You Get (Foggy's Beautiful Friday Night Remix)
11. Pete Farrow - Candy Man
12. Trevor Hyett - You Just Can't Make It
13. Howard The Duck - Untitled
14. Aspull - Raspberry
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Disk 3:
01. Visitor 2035 - Untitled
02. Durutti Column - Halitosis
03. Tony Crabtree - Little Wing
04. Rivington Spike [ Poet] - Untitled
05. No Change - Ruin
06. Here & Now - My Band’s Better Than Your Bong
07. Nik Turner's Sphinx - The Awakening - Pyramid Spell
08. Body - Untitled
09. Foggy & The Mental Asylum Seekers - Michael Howard, f*** Off
10. Moodswings - Hairy Piano
11. Pete Farrow - Daydreamer
12. John Keegan - Yearning For The Human Race To Run
13. The Fall – Brand New Cadillac
14. No Change - Lament
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Bring What You Expect To Find - The Deeply Vale Festivals of the 1970’s™
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Disk 4:
01. Danny & The Dressmakers - Dynamite
02. Murmo Schulze - The Death Pulse
03. Accident On The East Lancs - Help Me Mary
04. John Keegan - Me & The Green Machine
05. Piccadilly Radio Interview Part 2
06. Ruts - SUS
07. Elti-fits - Letterbox
08. Fast Cars - Who Loves Jimmy Anderton
09. Howard The Duck - You Know Me
10. Durutti Column - Boxes
11. Aspull - Damson
12. The Tunes - Untitled
13. Body - Tales Of The Riverbank
14. Visitor 2035 - Topa
15. Here & Now - Hairy Barber
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Disk 5:
01. Tractor - Lost On The Ocean
02. Pete Farrow - Underwater Guitarist
03. Elti-fits - Tony Wilson
04. Trevor Hyett - There's No Such Thing As Too Much Fun
05. Steve Hillage – U.F.B
06. Dr. Fogg’s Mistik Misfits - Valley Of Dreams (Improvisation)
07. Ruts - Jah Wars
08. Fast Cars - Tameside Girls
09. Nik Turner's Sphinx - God Rock
Wilful Damage - Full Set From 25th July 1978 Featuring:
10. Wilful Damage - Living In A Prison
11. Wilful Damage - Proton Neutraliser
12. Wilful Damage - I'm Scared
13. Wilful Damage - Peace & Life
14. Wilful Damage - Vandals
15. Wilful Damage - Encore (Featuring Eddie Kledjys)
16. Bill Normal - My Fathers Woolly
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Karl 'Foggy' Forshaw: Digital Restoration & Re-Mastering, Live & Studio Engineering, Studio Production & Mastering.
Thomas Hewitt: Additional Engineering.
Chris Hewitt: Concept & Executive Producer.

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Bring What You Expect To Find - The Deeply Vale Free People’s Festival™
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Killer Man Giro Are:
Hovis B. Reading - Poet & Surrealist
Foggy - Guitar, Bass, Keyboards, Programmer, Composer, Engineer, Producer & Idealist
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Foggy & The Mental Asylum Seekers Were:
Foggy - Guitar & Sound Generation
Tyrion Moses - Drums
Tom Fool - Saxophophone
Scotty - Bass
Darryl - Vocalisation & Face Paint
Sooty - Plastic Drainpipe & Fire Breathing
Emma Pyromaniac - Metal Objects
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Dr. Fogg’s Mistik Misfits Were:
Foggy - Guitar, Sequencing & Sound Generation
Blacky - Drums
Mark - Keyboards
Gary - Bass
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graham · Post by **graham** » 18 Mar 2006 13:12

seems fitting that ernie bishops dead body should see the light of day ,now that his killer has returned to the street!
More Dressmakers news is that the dare i say classic "Dont make another Bass Guitar Mr Rickenbacker" is coming out on the compilation Methestetics,
DIY cassette culture has been kept and curated by a monk in america,who now is doing this alphabetical series of cds.
its a foul din be warned!

Pob · Post by **Pob** » 19 Mar 2006 15:29

News in the Rochdale Observer yesterday says that Deeply Vale has now been cancelled due to the landowner wanting £350,000 and a share of the profits.

It mentions that Graham Massey of 808 State played there last time with Danny And The Dressmakers. Blimey - first time I've seen 808 mentioned in our local rag.

Post by **nickking** » 31 Mar 2006 12:19

Taken from today's Guardian:

Birth of the uncool

With cardboard drums and songs about hating sharks, the DIY music movement was tiny - but intense. Bob Stanley celebrates the UK's most underground underground scene

Friday March 31, 2006
The Guardian

Cash for chaos ... Steve Treatment with band in 1978

It wasn't punk, not exactly. It wasn't post-punk, either - too many Joy Division connotations. But the DIY record boom, between 1977 and 1982, was one of the most influential scenes in the British pop saga. Some claim it as the purest punk ever, with no egos, no gurus, no blueprint. Cash for chaos, with the cash being counted out in pennies.
It's taken rabid American and Japanese collectors to remind us in Britain, the home of DIY, that it ever happened. Names like Danny and the Dressmakers, the Thin Yoghurts and the Mud Hutters barely figure in record collecting price guides, let alone on nostalgia radio. But from primal C86 indie, to jungle white labels, to innovative electronica labels like Static Caravan, their influence is wide and the debt is deep.

Chuck Warner's Messthetics label exists solely to archive acts like Steve Treatment, the spookily named Take It, and the Homosexuals (who weren't, but were often beaten up for their name anyway). Next month the label releases a set of DIY's benchmark tunes, Messthetics Greatest Hits. As far as Warner is concerned, DIY "resonates because it's the unguarded thoughts and sounds of the bored, scheming, easily distracted kids at school. They didn't beat the system, but they made up some rules of their own in their spare time and, briefly, created a modestly functional parallel universe."
It's shocking and fascinating stuff. Sus by Reacta is about the loathsome "sus" laws that triggered the 1981 Brixton riots, but betrays its DIY uncool by referring to "coppers"; Giles Hall by Six Minute War opens with the line "Since I lost my wife"; the Tronics' Shark Fucks is about how much the singer hates sharks; and finally, there's I'm a Square by Anorexia.

The look was monochrome, handmade, an A4 photocopied sleeve wrapped around a handstamped 7in single. Photos of the bands were rare. Grinder were an exception - their sleeve shows four blokes, three with moustaches, the other with a Rocky Horror T-shirt. DIY had no time for poseurs. Pseudonyms abounded, probably so the dole office wouldn't get wind (after all, some of these records were selling thousands of copies). On the ideal DIY single, Warner reckons, "no band member's name should be over three letters long; otherwise, it should be false. If there is an address on the sleeve it should be the drummer's aunt's house or a local youth club." One Hornchurch band, What Is Oil?, numbered Dunk, Mike, German, Stoat and - playing "toast with cheese" - Dungheap.

The sound was art-school - a kind of urban British folk inspired by Vivian Stanshall, Syd Barrett, music hall and Dada. It was rickety, semi-musical and open to anyone: it related to punk in the way skiffle had to rock'n'roll. DIY archivist Johan Kugelberg describes it as "the wild enthusiasm of being 17 and discovering Alfred Jarry and the beauty of children's drawings." Strange, redundant keyboards were a common feature, as punk had laid waste to anything outside the guitar/bass/drums set-up, and this old gear was going cheap. Martin O'Cuthbert's Vocal Vigilante EP lists a Dubreq Stylophone and a Crumar Performer as his instruments - highly desirable now but obsolete technology in February 1978.

First out of the blocks was the Desperate Bicycles' Smokescreen, released in the spring of 1977. The band were formed, according to the sleeve, "specifically for the purpose of recording and releasing a single on their own label". Their second release, The Medium Was Tedium, fused Guy Debord's rallying cry ("no more time for spectating") with as much righteous anger and English humour as Anarchy in the UK . . . only the drums were cardboard, and Steve Jones' guitar had been replaced with Nicky Stephens' Winfield Farfisa. "It was easy, it was cheap, go and do it" ran the chorus, and the sleeve boasted that the complete cost of recording and pressing a few hundred copies of Smokescreen was £153: "If you can understand, go and join a band. Now it's your turn." The floodgates opened.

Notwithstanding the Desperate Bicycles' manifesto and the odd snipe at Thatcher or the National Front, DIY's most perfect songs were rarely universal. Instead they were outrageously localised and domestic in their outlook. One of the genre's most directly emotional singles was by Hornsey at War. Then there was the Good Missionaries' Deranged in Hastings, and Wickford's So Boring by Grinder. Peterborough band the Now railed against Development Corporations, a cri de coeur that would have meant nothing beyond, at a push, Kettering. These were truly private projects. No one expected their records to reach beyond their home town's boundaries, so contact addresses rarely appeared on the sleeve. It was far more common to find a list of pressing plants, printers and costs worked out to the penny - the Desperate Bicycles' £153 was the real benchmark of DIY. Competition over who could function on the smallest budget was intense.

In reality, these records did leave Hastings or Hornsey; copies ended up in Stockholm, San Francisco, Tokyo. Anything approximating punk was lapped up. There were roughly 900 DIY singles released at the form's peak between 1979 and 1981. Their influence led to chaotic 45s across the globe, such as Do You Wanna Dance by the Silver, a band from Finland, all aged 12.

The Instant Automatons from north Lincolnshire are a classic DIY tale. Originally there were two schoolmates, Mark and Protag (aka Martin Neish). They decided to form a band but were held back by the fact they couldn't play, had no instruments and didn't have a clue how to get a record deal. These were the rules of rock - in 1974 there was no alternative. Says Mark: "Like many teenagers I was painfully aware of my own mortality, so I started off writing poetry." Next, the friends dabbled with signal generators and amps in the physics lab, pleased with their ability to approximate the German pulsebeats of Can and Kraftwerk. Then two major events happened: they left school and the Sex Pistols happened. "It's difficult to convey the sense of freedom that came with the rise of independent record labels and the bands that founded them. I suppose it was akin to witnessing the demolition of the Berlin Wall."

Liberated, Mark and Protag got themselves a homemade synthesizer and a drum machine. They wrote various words on bits of paper, put them in a hat, pulled out "instant" and "automaton" and found a name. They called their label Deleted. Their first release was a C90 called Radio Silence - The Art of Human Error and they advertised it in the music press. To get a copy you just had to send them a blank tape and an SAE. This was a first.

Like many other one-chord wonders, the Instant Automatons recorded at a London studio called Street Level. It was run by one Keith Dobson, known as Kif Kif le Batteur, a former member of art hippies Here and Now who also worked for the International Times. Inspired by the Automatons, Kif Kif started his own cassette label - f*** Off Records - and put together the Bad Music festival at the Acklam Hall under the Westway in 1980, featuring bands from the cassette scene. Between 40 and 60 copies of f*** Off cassettes were produced, most now lost or taped over.

Danny and the Dressmakers recorded a box set of three C90s for f*** Off called 200 Cancellations. "There was a big outburst of DIY energy" explains former Dressmaker Graham Massey, later of 808 State, now of Toolshed. "It was dead throwaway, but something really good can come out of not concentrating too hard." NME and Sounds had weekly columns on cassette albums. This was a genuinely underground scene, about as far removed from corporate rock as you could ever get.

It all began to wind down when the leading bands became musically proficient - Scritti Politti's abrupt switch from DIY monochrome to the lush production on The Sweetest Girl at the end of 1981 signalled the beginning of the end. Massey remembers Danny and the Dressmakers' way out of a rut: "We swapped instruments. We picked up the ones we could play the least and ended up making about 20 albums, all on cassette."

If you can find them, DIY records are extraordinary artefacts - the last hurrah of the Angry Brigade, good hippy aesthetics, and the punk/situationist interface. If you can't find them, the Messthetics series of CDs provides an in. This was the sound of the underground; the hiss of the tape, the amateur pressing, the sloppiness and the sheer sense of glee. The feeling of liberty. Chuck Warner compares DIY to the early days of blogging: "Both DIY and the blogs were so engaging precisely because of their common carelessness about wide public response."

In the wake of "nu-post-punk" sweeping all other fashions aside, Warner hopes that "this album will at least widen the circle a bit. I remain baffled that so few people appreciate the genius of this stuff. It remains a distinct possibility, of course, that I'm utterly off my head."

· Messthetics Greatest Hits - The Sounds of UK DIY 1977-80 is available from www.hyped2death.com

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Danny & Dressmaker Tracks in the following compilations:

Messthetics #8 [H2D#59] UK DIY singles, LP and cassette tracks from 1977-81: ALL from the letter "D" Astounding DIY gnarling and scrubbing, including 4 tracks previously available on cassette-only. Desperate Bicycles, Devil's Hole Gang, Different I's, Dry Rib, The Dogmatic Duo, Dogma Cats, Divert Off Centre, Dolphins, Dislocation Dance, Dum Dum Dum, Diagram Bros, Dangerous Girls, Discount Chiefs, Delmontes, Disturbed, Deep Freeze Mice, The Dad, Desperate Bicycles, Danny & The Dressmakers, De Tian, Denizens, Digital Dinosaurs and The Dole.

MESSTHETICS GREATEST HITS CD The sounds of U.K. 'D.I.Y.' 1977-1980 (Messthetics #100)

“D.I.Y.” was both punk and post-punk, but D.I.Y. stood firmly on its own: a musical free-for-all of untrained voices, gnarly, scrubby, newly-invented riffs, home-made instruments, dustbin percussion, and lyrics like nothing that had come before. Performed by punks and hippies, musical geniuses and novices alike, school-kids and grizzled 27-year-olds... these are the sounds of D.I.Y.’s golden age.

As Nuggets and Pebbles were to 60’s garage-bands, as Chocolate Soup for Diabetics and Rubble were to freakbeat, and as Killed by Death and Bloodstains were to indie punk, the Messthetics series documents the essential bands of the DIY and the [very] indie postpunk generation of the British Isles. “Greatest Hits“ is Messthetics #100 (with #101, 102, etc. soon to follow). Featuring two never-before heard tracks by the legendary Rejects (Bruno Wizard’s 1977 band before he formed the Homosexuals). With O Level (pre-Times), Reptile Ranch (pre-Weekend), Six Minute War (pre-400 Blows), Mud Hutters (pre-Spaceheads), and Danny & the Dressmakers (producer Graham Massey pre-808 State, Bjork, etc.)… Also the inimitable tunings of the Tronics, Scrotum Poles, Puritan Guitars, Dum Dum Dum, Reacta, Exhibit A, Slight Seconds, Instant Automatons, Anorexia, Steve Treatment, Take It, Thin Yoghurts, Royston, Walking Floors and the Digital Dinosaurs.

“Definitive DIY anthology. The perfect companion to the Ugly Things DIY Top 100 list”- Johan Kugelberg